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Post by TheLastMelody on 2012-02-10, 14:40

HeDanny wrote:While that certainly could not be ruled out, I'd certainly hope that after so many years someone would have noticed something. Smile

So you suffer as well? And they found something else? That's messed up! How long did it take if you don't mind my asking? Of course feel free to tell me it is none of my business, because clearly it is not. I also apologise if asking the question is inappropriate. I mean no disrespect, I am simply curious.

I appreciate this response, however it did not really answer the question I was trying to ask. That may be my bad. I'll try again as I may not have been clear. Why do you believe that People who suffer from schizophrenia do not experience Visual Hallucinations?

I would also not mind rearing a response from Worthington on this matter as well. If you could chip in it would be appreciated.

They have not noticed it, but I know it because I checked it up, I just wonder how they could possibly mistake ADHD and Schizoid Personality Disorder.

It's been more than 10 years since I was diagnosed with ADHD.

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Post by Gloom on 2012-02-10, 14:43

No offense or anything, and it's not like I don't trust your judgement on the matter: you naturally know way more than I do- but in general, I wouldn't recommend dismissing the opinions of professionals on such subjects, especially not to substitute them with self-diagnosis. Those people usually know what they're doing...
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Post by TheLastMelody on 2012-02-10, 15:45

Gloom wrote:No offense or anything, and it's not like I don't trust your judgement on the matter: you naturally know way more than I do- but in general, I wouldn't recommend dismissing the opinions of professionals on such subjects, especially not to substitute them with self-diagnosis. Those people usually know what they're doing...
I know that, but look them up, those two diagnosises are as different as fire and water, just check it.

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Post by HeDanny on 2012-02-10, 18:31

I just did a quick check, and note this information comes from the internet so it must be true. Some of you may be interested in what I found.

U.S. National Library of Medicine wrote: [Schizoid Personality disorder] may be related to schizophrenia and it shares many of the same risk factors.

However, schizoid personality disorder is not as disabling as schizophrenia. It does not cause hallucinations, delusions, or the complete disconnection from reality that occurs in untreated (or treatment-resistant) schizophrenia.

So there you have it. No Hallucinations for Schizoid Personality Disorder.
However...
U.S. National Library of Medicine wrote:Schizophrenia symptoms usually develop slowly over months or years. Sometimes you may have many symptoms, and at other times you may only have a few.

People with any type of schizophrenia may have difficulty keeping friends and working. They may also have problems with anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts or behaviors.

At first, you may have the following symptoms:

Irritable or tense feeling

Difficulty sleeping

Difficulty concentrating

As the illness continues, problems with thinking, emotions and behavior develop, including:

Lack of emotion (flat affect)

Strongly held beliefs that are not based in reality (delusions)

**Hearing or seeing things that are not there (hallucinations)**

Problems paying attention

Thoughts "jump" between unrelated topics ( “loose associations”)

Bizarre behaviors

Social isolation

Symptoms can vary, depending on the type of schizophrenia you have.

Paranoid schizophrenia symptoms may include:

Anxious

Angry or argumentative

False believes that others are trying to harm you or your loved ones.

Disorganized schizophrenia symptoms may include:

Problems with thinking and expressing ideas clearly

Childlike behavior

Showing little emotion

Catatonic schizophrenia symptoms may include:

Lack of activity

Muscles and posture may be rigid

Grimaces or other odd expressions on the face

Does not respond much to other people

Undifferentiated schizophrenia symptoms may include symptoms of more than one other type of schizophrenia.

People with residual schizophrenia have some symptoms, but not as many as those who are in a full-blown episode of schizophrenia.

Emphasis added by me in an attempt to make it a little easier to read, as I personally find it a little unclear. I think its suggesting that all types of schizophrenia cause the first things on the list, but then goes on to list additional symptoms that are more specific to the different types.

Pretty sure I've never been suicidal. That one .. surprised me a bit when I saw it.

A reminder that all comes from a twenty second Google search, so Take it as you will. I can however say that From personal experience it reads pretty much spot on. Well, everything except the Suicide bit.

They also have entries for Attention‐deficit/hyperactivity disorder, but as I am quite unfamiliar with this I did not know what would be relevant to post.
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Re: Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

Post by Soup on 2012-02-12, 15:13

I really feel like Heterophobia (the fear of the opposite sex) could work very well given the situation. Both the girl that is affected by the condition and the MC would have to overcome it as an obstacle.
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Post by Waytfm on 2012-02-12, 19:00

I'm not sure "overcoming" should be the goal here. These conditions would be part of the characters, a part of their personalities. I don't think we should send a message that a mental condition is something that you beat. It should be something you accept. You shouldn't get to the end of the VN and the girl be "cured" by the main character.
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Post by Soup on 2012-02-12, 20:09

Maybe "overcome" wasn't the correct word. I didn't mean for it to be something the girl needs to beat, but rather as something that the MC and her would need to take into account when trying to start a relationship. It would be a rather difficult situation, and would also test if their relationship was as stable as they thought it was.
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Post by Waytfm on 2012-02-12, 20:53

Yeah, that sounds about right
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Re: Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

Post by Dirk on 2012-02-13, 20:33

I think this game needs a gentle, sweet, shy girl.

With Tourette's.

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Re: Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

Post by Worthington on 2012-02-14, 01:32

Dirk wrote:I think this game needs a gentle, sweet, shy girl.

With Tourette's.
catface, he's got a big catface. He's got the body of a cat and the face of a cat, and he flies through the air 'cos he's got a catface.

Catface.
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Post by Joel Dawson on 2012-02-14, 04:54

Worthington wrote:
catface, he's got a big catface. He's got the body of a cat and the face of a cat, and he flies through the air 'cos he's got a catface.

Catface.

You know..

I really like this idea. Mind if I borrow it for a second?



I think I might start a story about catface. I'll be sure to credit you as my inspiration Worthington.
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Post by Worthington on 2012-02-14, 16:28

Catface is an existing flash animation series, I was just quoting the themesong.

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Re: Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

Post by neumanproductions on 2012-02-14, 20:34

Sorry, didn't want to read right now but did you guys get a person in the phychology and mental health field for reference when writing towards each of the characters?
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Re: Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

Post by kosherbacon on 2012-02-14, 20:37

We do have three and a half medicbros with varying backgrounds on hand.
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Re: Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

Post by imperial.standard on 2012-02-14, 21:50

^ As Kosher had said.

In short; yes we do have medicbros / medical consultants
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Post by Booger T on 2012-02-14, 22:59

http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.

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Post by Worthington on 2012-02-14, 22:59

nyoro~n
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Post by imperial.standard on 2012-02-15, 00:51

Yes indeed - this one BITES hard...
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Post by Waytfm on 2012-02-15, 01:21

Booger T wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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OM NOM NOM! affraid

I love it
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Post by TheLastMelody on 2012-02-15, 04:32

Booger T wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.
Looks like awesome route, gimme.

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Post by QbertEnhanced on 2012-02-15, 12:02

TheLastMelody wrote:
Booger T wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.
Looks like awesome route, gimme.

Nooo, don't encourage Kosher. Believe me, that won't end well...
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Post by Gloom on 2012-02-15, 13:30

Booger T wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.

Well, jokes aside, clinical lycanthropy is a real psychological condition. It's an extremely specific (and eerily common, relatively speaking) form of delusion which revolves around the person being able to transform into an animal or having been transformed into an animal. Or transforms into an animal when the moon is full, or something.
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Post by TheLastMelody on 2012-02-15, 16:12

Gloom wrote:
Booger T wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.

Well, jokes aside, clinical lycanthropy is a real psychological condition. It's an extremely specific (and eerily common, relatively speaking) form of delusion which revolves around the person being able to transform into an animal or having been transformed into an animal. Or transforms into an animal when the moon is full, or something.

Thats.... kinda... wierd?
Naaah, it's just another one of the ways a human mind can act, and who knows, maybe there is a reason for it too.

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Post by Gloom on 2012-02-15, 16:13

TheLastMelody wrote:
Gloom wrote:
Booger T wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.

Well, jokes aside, clinical lycanthropy is a real psychological condition. It's an extremely specific (and eerily common, relatively speaking) form of delusion which revolves around the person being able to transform into an animal or having been transformed into an animal. Or transforms into an animal when the moon is full, or something.

Thats.... kinda... wierd?
Naaah, it's just another one of the ways a human mind can act, and who knows, maybe there is a reason for it too.

The girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so. Neutral
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Post by TheLastMelody on 2012-02-15, 16:22

Gloom wrote:
TheLastMelody wrote:
Gloom wrote:
Booger T wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Ob6La.png

Apparently, Lycanthropy.

Well, jokes aside, clinical lycanthropy is a real psychological condition. It's an extremely specific (and eerily common, relatively speaking) form of delusion which revolves around the person being able to transform into an animal or having been transformed into an animal. Or transforms into an animal when the moon is full, or something.

Thats.... kinda... wierd?
Naaah, it's just another one of the ways a human mind can act, and who knows, maybe there is a reason for it too.

The girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so. Neutral
It is a part of nature after all, if it wasn't, it would not have happened.

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Post by Gloom on 2012-02-15, 16:29

The girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so.
It is a part of nature after all, if it wasn't, it would not have happened.

The guy who had his arm ripped off and eaten by a girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so.
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Post by TheLastMelody on 2012-02-15, 18:35

Gloom wrote:
The girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so.
It is a part of nature after all, if it wasn't, it would not have happened.

The guy who had his arm ripped off and eaten by a girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so.

Doesn't matter what people think, since it happens, it is a part of nature.

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Post by Waytfm on 2012-02-15, 19:17

TheLastMelody wrote:
Gloom wrote:
The girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so.
It is a part of nature after all, if it wasn't, it would not have happened.

The guy who had his arm ripped off and eaten by a girl who goes on a cannibalistic rampage once a month doesn't think so.

Doesn't matter what people think, since it happens, it is a part of nature.

I read the "Doesn't matter" and automatically finished with "had sex"

I think my version is still appropriate Razz
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Re: Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

Post by Xadier on 2012-02-19, 09:28

Hi, I was pointed in this direction told there was rumors of a possible mental disorder/illness spin off? Well, I've been a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic for 20+ years now and would really like to help contribute if there's any room or need for me.
I can also help in other areas since I've read a librarys worth of psychology books in my life, from case studies to everything else. The few friends I have made in life generally have been in similar boats, people with autism, bipolar, OCD and other disorders and illnesses, so that would also help contribute.

So, yeah, if there is any use for me I'd be happy to help. You can always email me (Sarah) at semshepherd@gmail.com

Also, just as suggestions for what I personally would like to see if this gets made is:
Bipolar,
OCD,
Autism,
Schizophrenia (I think any of the types other than catatonic would work, although I guess catatonic could make for some interesting situations although it's less common than it used to be with the advances of antipsychotics) also I sort of feel it would help clarify some of the misconceptions the media has portrayed of it.
PTSD


I noticed an original suggestion of DID (Dissociative identity disorder, no longer multiple personalities) but that may be a sensitive and difficult to portray issue. A lot of doctors still argue it does not exist. Also, the cases where people do display it is not as dramatic as made out in the media as people can switch between "alters" almost seamlessly at times and numbers can range up to the hundreds.


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Post by Xadier on 2012-02-19, 09:49

Worthington wrote:
HeDanny wrote:
Worthington wrote:You guys do know that schizophrenics don't have visual hallucinations (open eye ones, anyway)?

Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this question for me, please? I only ask as suffer from schizophrenia and have experienced what I, and those caring for me, would describe as visual hallucinations.
M'bad, I meant to reply but it slipped my mind. In reference to paranoid schizophrenia, the disorder does not cause visual hallucinations. Delusions can make you think things are there, but they're not real hallucinations. I don't know about other types of schizophrenia, but this is just what my shrink has told me. Mostly it's audial hallucinations, for paranoid schizophrenics at least (A Beautiful Mind was inaccurate in it's portrayal).


I know this is a little late to the conversation, but there are several different types of schizophrenia as I'm sure you're aware. Paranoid schizophrenics on average tend to experience auditory hallucinations and tactile hallucinations more than the other types, but can still experience visual hallucinations (yes, open-eyed ones). Symptoms vary from person to person for schizophrenia, not all paranoid schizophrenics will experience the same symptoms and the same for people experience the other types such as catatonic, disorganized, undifferentiated and residual. Severity also varies from person to person, some people only experience one episode in their life, about 25% will experience several, and 15% will continue to have symptoms their entire life. Episodes are made up of positive (hallucinations, delusions, racing thoughts) negative symptoms (apathy, lack of emotion, poor or nonexistant social functioning) and cognitive (disorganized thoughts, difficulty concentrating and/or following instructions, difficulty completing tasks, memory problems).

Some schizophrenics never even experience any form of hallucinations, some more than others, you must display a minimum amount of symptoms for a period lasting longer than 6 months to be diagnosed and there's many other disorders/illnesses out there that can appear to be schizophrenia, it tends to be misdiagnosed if not diagnosed by a psychologist or psychiatrist that specializes in schizophrenia. Even some parasites and in rare cases birth control can cause schizophrenia like symptoms in people.

Long story short, not everyone experiences the same things.

I was diagnosed with an uncommon childhood onset at a very young age, which got worse in my teens and doctors gave me a rather severe diagnosis and now in my 20s is manageable but stress helps onset it even though it's generally quite random when it decides to appear.

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Post by Malkav on 2012-02-20, 18:48

Hello, everyone. All of this talk about Schizophrenia reminds me of a very peculiar event in my life. I landed myself in the hospital after a pretty wicked motorcycle crash several years back. Amazingly, the only injury I suffered was a coma that lasted for a little over 24 hours, despite having left a trail in the dirt from where my head/helmet landed. My ride, on the other hand, was totaled.

For the next couple days, I began seeing the most unbelievable things. Objects around the house would move of their own volition, sometimes in ways that should not have been physically possible. Shadowy figures roamed about nonchalantly, as if permanent room mates of mine that I'd simply failed to notice until that point. Most remarkably, an extra-dimensional being (which I initially pegged to be an alien until it informed me that it was a spirit/dead thing) had begun interacting with me, doing everything from shaking my hand with its tendrils to projecting vivid images on my walls and ceilings (some horrific, others magnificent). It 'burrowed' through my walls and ceilings, exposing what I assumed was its 'home' through the crumbled-away holes it made (which would disappear when it retreated and closed them back up again). All traces of these comings and goings disappeared shortly after; I could even, at one point, feel the grittiness of the plaster 'melt away' in my fingertips. Naturally, no one else saw, felt, or heard these things, and those who stayed to keep an eye on me were quite unnerved. Even more disturbing to them, I think, were my attempts to get them to acknowledge the existence of these things by having them interact in various ways.

I was delighted to no end to be making contact with what I assumed were sentient non-humans, and so when these hallucinations faded, so, too, did my sense of elation. I've had mild hallucinations before, but they were all very brief and barely perceptible. More importantly, they were far more frightening or unnerving than they were anything else; nothing like this last experience. I had been told in the past by my old psychologist that I show Schizoid-type symptoms, but they were more a result of the extreme stress I was under than true signs of Schizophrenia. I'm pretty confident in his assessment.

My friends and family were happy to see the moment pass. I, on the other hand... well, it brought about a very new perspective on my previous ideas about mental illness. I understand now, I think, the disconnect between people who see a person's condition as an illness and a person's feeling that their condition is a significant and pleasant part of who they are. Had my hallucinations become permanent, and medication offered me, I doubt I would have accepted it. I believe I'd have been far too preoccupied with experiencing all that these imaginary beings had to offer, entranced by the almost magical awe I felt when dealing with them.

I suppose this is a very roundabout way of saying so, but essentially, the idea of a VN about mental illness fascinates me greatly. I would also be willing to offer various first-hand accounts and descriptions about my experiences with hallucinations, should anyone request them.

In any case, I'm very curious to see how this project turns out Smile I wish everyone working on it the best of luck.
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Post by Xadier on 2012-02-20, 18:58

Malkav wrote:Hello, everyone. All of this talk about Schizophrenia reminds me of a very peculiar event in my life. I landed myself in the hospital after a pretty wicked motorcycle crash several years back. Amazingly, the only injury I suffered was a coma that lasted for a little over 24 hours, despite having left a trail in the dirt from where my head/helmet landed. My ride, on the other hand, was totaled.

For the next couple days, I began seeing the most unbelievable things. Objects around the house would move of their own volition, sometimes in ways that should not have been physically possible. Shadowy figures roamed about nonchalantly, as if permanent room mates of mine that I'd simply failed to notice until that point. Most remarkably, an extra-dimensional being (which I initially pegged to be an alien until it informed me that it was a spirit/dead thing) had begun interacting with me, doing everything from shaking my hand with its tendrils to projecting vivid images on my walls and ceilings (some horrific, others magnificent). It 'burrowed' through my walls and ceilings, exposing what I assumed was its 'home' through the crumbled-away holes it made (which would disappear when it retreated and closed them back up again). All traces of these comings and goings disappeared shortly after; I could even, at one point, feel the grittiness of the plaster 'melt away' in my fingertips. Naturally, no one else saw, felt, or heard these things, and those who stayed to keep an eye on me were quite unnerved. Even more disturbing to them, I think, were my attempts to get them to acknowledge the existence of these things by having them interact in various ways.

I was delighted to no end to be making contact with what I assumed were sentient non-humans, and so when these hallucinations faded, so, too, did my sense of elation. I've had mild hallucinations before, but they were all very brief and barely perceptible. More importantly, they were far more frightening or unnerving than they were anything else; nothing like this last experience. I had been told in the past by my old psychologist that I show Schizoid-type symptoms, but they were more a result of the extreme stress I was under than true signs of Schizophrenia. I'm pretty confident in his assessment.

My friends and family were happy to see the moment pass. I, on the other hand... well, it brought about a very new perspective on my previous ideas about mental illness. I understand now, I think, the disconnect between people who see a person's condition as an illness and a person's feeling that their condition is a significant and pleasant part of who they are. Had my hallucinations become permanent, and medication offered me, I doubt I would have accepted it. I believe I'd have been far too preoccupied with experiencing all that these imaginary beings had to offer, entranced by the almost magical awe I felt when dealing with them.

I suppose this is a very roundabout way of saying so, but essentially, the idea of a VN about mental illness fascinates me greatly. I would also be willing to offer various first-hand accounts and descriptions about my experiences with hallucinations, should anyone request them.

In any case, I'm very curious to see how this project turns out Smile I wish everyone working on it the best of luck.

Thanks for sharing your experience, it sounds very similar to a lot of my hallucinations when I was younger/teens. Although there have probably been more times in my life I've found myself not wanting to have schizophrenia, there are times where the hallucinations as you mentioned can be quite amazing and over time I have come to accept this is part of who I am so I need to stop trying to wish I was someone else.
It's really bothersome when people try to tell you what you're seeing, hearing or feeling is not "real" so to ignore it, but it's as real as you or me to the person experiencing these things. So, it's nice to see people who are not exactly mentally ill can experience this "other world" we're thrown into at times to know these aren't just faint shadows in the corners of our eyes.
When I was younger and more actively hallucinating (visually, hormones and a lot of stress really didn't help with my mental illness. They still show up from time to time, but not every day anymore and more negative effects) when I would see more monster like beings like you mentioned at least it was somewhat easier to try and know over time to not react to them (although impossible when they become malicious and you can feel them hurt you). But every now and again I run into people that I can see the pores on, smell them, feel them, everything about them and when someone mentions to you no one is there it's far harder to come to terms with.
Not really sure where I was going with this rant, guess I was just trying to say thanks for sharing and you're not alone.

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Post by Malkav on 2012-02-20, 19:38

Xadier wrote:Thanks for sharing your experience, it sounds very similar to a lot of my hallucinations when I was younger/teens. Although there have probably been more times in my life I've found myself not wanting to have schizophrenia, there are times where the hallucinations as you mentioned can be quite amazing and over time I have come to accept this is part of who I am so I need to stop trying to wish I was someone else.
It's really bothersome when people try to tell you what you're seeing, hearing or feeling is not "real" so to ignore it, but it's as real as you or me to the person experiencing these things. So, it's nice to see people who are not exactly mentally ill can experience this "other world" we're thrown into at times to know these aren't just faint shadows in the corners of our eyes.
When I was younger and more actively hallucinating (visually, hormones and a lot of stress really didn't help with my mental illness. They still show up from time to time, but not every day anymore and more negative effects) when I would see more monster like beings like you mentioned at least it was somewhat easier to try and know over time to not react to them (although impossible when they become malicious and you can feel them hurt you). But every now and again I run into people that I can see the pores on, smell them, feel them, everything about them and when someone mentions to you no one is there it's far harder to come to terms with.
Not really sure where I was going with this rant, guess I was just trying to say thanks for sharing and you're not alone.

I'm just glad that you took something useful from that post ^ ^ the experience was quite profound for me, maybe changing me in more ways than I realize. So I thought that, if it stood out so much to me, maybe other people could also take something from it.
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Post by splitInfinitive on 2012-02-25, 04:43

Gloom wrote:Body Dymorphia: Great disorder both for comic relief and for dead serious discussions of some very interesting concepts, from the meaning of self to the nature of consciousness. From the mildly weird ("I am a woman trapped in the body of a man") to the slightly off-putting ("I am a wolf trapped in the body of a man") to the horrifically disturbing ("I am a wolf-spider trapped in the body of a man")

The first example you give isn't body dysmorphia at all, but gender identity disorder. It's a condition that's being gradually shifted away from status of "mental illness" and recognized as a part of natural variation in human sexuality, like homosexuality back in the day. Most of what I've heard about body dysmorphia has to do with weight issues and feelings of ugliness, or fixating on one feature that's perceived as flawed when it isn't ("My nose is wrong, everybody's staring at it"). There's also body integrity identity disorder, which is theorized as a goof in the body's mind map, making someone feel like a limb isn't supposed to be there. It's basically "phantom limb syndrome" in reverse.
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Post by splitInfinitive on 2012-02-25, 09:48

Xadier wrote:I noticed an original suggestion of DID (Dissociative identity disorder, no longer multiple personalities) but that may be a sensitive and difficult to portray issue. A lot of doctors still argue it does not exist. Also, the cases where people do display it is not as dramatic as made out in the media as people can switch between "alters" almost seamlessly at times and numbers can range up to the hundreds.

It's true, multiplicity isn't noticed by most people. Most multiples learn to hide it. I think dissociative identity would work well for the story though, because there's such a wide range for how the condition manifests. While some have hundreds of alters, others have only 3 or 4. Some multiples have no communication between alters, others have such good communication it's hard to tell where one alter ends and another begins. Some people remain multiple for the rest of their lives, for others it fades as they move on from whatever trauma initiated it. Basically, you can choose which setup works best for the story, and still give an accurate portrayal. It just might help to mention within the story that no two multiples are alike.

As for those skeptics, they're either abusers themselves who want to cover up their damage, or they're in serious denial.
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Post by Xadier on 2012-02-27, 05:42

splitInfinitive wrote:
Xadier wrote:I noticed an original suggestion of DID (Dissociative identity disorder, no longer multiple personalities) but that may be a sensitive and difficult to portray issue. A lot of doctors still argue it does not exist. Also, the cases where people do display it is not as dramatic as made out in the media as people can switch between "alters" almost seamlessly at times and numbers can range up to the hundreds.

It's true, multiplicity isn't noticed by most people. Most multiples learn to hide it. I think dissociative identity would work well for the story though, because there's such a wide range for how the condition manifests. While some have hundreds of alters, others have only 3 or 4. Some multiples have no communication between alters, others have such good communication it's hard to tell where one alter ends and another begins. Some people remain multiple for the rest of their lives, for others it fades as they move on from whatever trauma initiated it. Basically, you can choose which setup works best for the story, and still give an accurate portrayal. It just might help to mention within the story that no two multiples are alike.

As for those skeptics, they're either abusers themselves who want to cover up their damage, or they're in serious denial.


You sound like your have a healthy grasp on it, my main concern is like schizophrenia, DID is a disorder that has a lot of misconceptions due to the media about it and it's worrisome someone may contribute to what may be a highly influential VN as this, and help spread those misconceptions.

As a simple bystander to the whole project, it's nice to hear you seem to know the more correct side about it. There's just a few things in this thread alone which are grossly incorrect that I would hate to see make their way into the game, such as the person who stated shizophrenic's don't have "open-eyed" visual hallucinations (something I've experienced hundreds of times in my life) that and people seem to forget about the many other symptoms of SZ outside visual/audible/tactile/cognitive hallucinations. I guess I'm a little cautious when it comes to projects like this, having dealt with a lot of stigma for years from people in the real world and the media it's upsetting when people think all these horribly incorrect things about you and fail to see a human underneath it.

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Post by splitInfinitive on 2012-02-27, 06:37

Xadier wrote:I guess I'm a little cautious when it comes to projects like this, having dealt with a lot of stigma for years from people in the real world and the media it's upsetting when people think all these horribly incorrect things about you and fail to see a human underneath it.

I agree. Thankfully the devs have made it clear in many places that they have a group whose purpose is to make sure the conditions present in the game are represented accurately and compassionately. It's the quality of their work that will decide the final outcome.
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Post by yotc on 2012-02-28, 12:33

Well this thread sure is... a thing. Props to some people for pointing out the incorrectness of some peoples thoughts on these illnesses. One in particular caught my eyes. I blame gloom's ability to articulate their feelings excellently.

I've known people with nymphomania and I've seen probably the worst place something can go. When you have to build a part for someone because they cut it off themselves it is... something else. Something else entirely. She was much happier with the new one though so I guess there is that. There is not a confused enough looking sheepish grin smile to post here. I don't even know what the disease is called. I'd go into details but I'm always Leary of hipaa.

On the nymphomania thing, I knew a guy that had it. Friend of a friend in college, hung out occasionally with us, always seemed a dirtier old man than me. Have not seen him in years but he was in a bad bad place last I heard.

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Post by Al Capwn on 2012-03-03, 22:02

I have seen Insomnia listed, but what about the opposite extreme, Narcolepsy?

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Post by Al Capwned on 2012-03-03, 22:04

Al Capwn wrote:I have seen Insomnia listed, but what about the opposite extreme, Narcolepsy?

sorry didn't know how to post properly

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Post by Worthington on 2012-03-04, 05:01

Al Capwn wrote:I have seen Insomnia listed, but what about the opposite extreme, Narcolepsy?
Fairly certain narcolepsy is a physiological disorder, not a psychological one...
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Post by splitInfinitive on 2012-03-04, 05:23

Worthington wrote:
Fairly certain narcolepsy is a physiological disorder, not a psychological one...
More accurately, narcolepsy is neurological. /pedantry
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Post by Al Capwned on 2012-03-04, 10:00

Worthington wrote:
Al Capwn wrote:I have seen Insomnia listed, but what about the opposite extreme, Narcolepsy?
Fairly certain narcolepsy is a physiological disorder, not a psychological one...

However it is listed in that list of mental disorders that Waytfm posted at the beginning of the thread

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Post by Gloom on 2012-03-04, 12:42

splitInfinitive wrote:
Worthington wrote:
Fairly certain narcolepsy is a physiological disorder, not a psychological one...
More accurately, narcolepsy is neurological. /pedantry

When you dig down deeply enough, the lines between a "physical" and "mental" disorder become very blurry. I mean, in the end, all of those emotions, thoughts, fears, dreams; it's just the electrochemical playground of your brain showing through. Just physics, chemistry, and biology at work.
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Post by TheLastMelody on 2012-03-04, 15:22

Gloom wrote:
splitInfinitive wrote:
Worthington wrote:
Fairly certain narcolepsy is a physiological disorder, not a psychological one...
More accurately, narcolepsy is neurological. /pedantry

When you dig down deeply enough, the lines between a "physical" and "mental" disorder become very blurry. I mean, in the end, all of those emotions, thoughts, fears, dreams; it's just the electrochemical playground of your brain showing through. Just physics, chemistry, and biology at work.
They do say that sickness of the body originates from the mind.

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Post by Al Capwned on 2012-03-04, 15:28

Gloom wrote:
splitInfinitive wrote:
Worthington wrote:
Fairly certain narcolepsy is a physiological disorder, not a psychological one...
More accurately, narcolepsy is neurological. /pedantry

When you dig down deeply enough, the lines between a "physical" and "mental" disorder become very blurry. I mean, in the end, all of those emotions, thoughts, fears, dreams; it's just the electrochemical playground of your brain showing through. Just physics, chemistry, and biology at work.

I agree with gloom, writing something off as just physiological doesn't mean that it has psychological impacts. Like one of the accompanying issue is cataplexy, which can be emotionally driven, which could cause someone to become emotional withdrawn to reduce their cataplectic episodes. Or, a loss of touch with reality because of frequent hypnagogic hallucinations when transitioning to and from sleep. Even automatic behaviors while asleep can lead to paranoia.

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Post by splitInfinitive on 2012-03-04, 21:35

Gloom wrote:When you dig down deeply enough, the lines between a "physical" and "mental" disorder become very blurry. I mean, in the end, all of those emotions, thoughts, fears, dreams; it's just the electrochemical playground of your brain showing through. Just physics, chemistry, and biology at work.

True, hardware problems can affect software, and vice-versa. But there is still a useful distinction between hardware and software. A person can become excessively sleepy from high levels of stress, or they can have narcolepsy. One can be "cured" by relaxation techniques, the other cannot be cured at all. At least, not with present medical knowledge.
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Post by Malkav on 2012-03-05, 04:24

I remember this sitcom, Frasier, in which the main character's brother sported an episode of "stress-induced narcolepsy". I am unsure if it was factually or scientifically accurate, but I do know of other conditions that can be psychologically induced (constipation, cardiac arrest, ulcers). In this way, what would normally be a physiological problem may turn out to be a result of psychological difficulties, instead. I believe the same can be said of psychological problems having roots in physiological issues (chemical imbalances being the chief culprit). Thus, the cures for each can become switched.
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Post by Worthington on 2012-03-05, 04:26

Malkav wrote:I remember this sitcom, Frasier, in which the main character's brother sported an episode of "stress-induced narcolepsy". I am unsure if it was factually or scientifically accurate, but I do know of other conditions that can be psychologically induced (constipation, cardiac arrest, ulcers). In this way, what would normally be a physiological problem may turn out to be a result of psychological difficulties, instead. I believe the same can be said of psychological problems having roots in physiological issues (chemical imbalances being the chief culprit).
Indeed, but such episodes are generally temporary.
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Post by splitInfinitive on 2012-03-05, 05:43

Malkav wrote:I remember this sitcom, Frasier, in which the main character's brother sported an episode of "stress-induced narcolepsy". I am unsure if it was factually or scientifically accurate, but I do know of other conditions that can be psychologically induced (constipation, cardiac arrest, ulcers). In this way, what would normally be a physiological problem may turn out to be a result of psychological difficulties, instead. I believe the same can be said of psychological problems having roots in physiological issues (chemical imbalances being the chief culprit). Thus, the cures for each can become switched.

This is why it's important to know the difference between a disease (where the etiology is known to a certain degree of confidence) and a symptom (which is just a sign of disease that can have many causes). When you're unsure about your etiology, call in Dr. House for a differential.
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